Yes we are all a bunch of friendly guys! I havent seen single arguement between two people for as long as Ive been here. Probably not so on a ricer forum.

#1 spoilers and wings can be effective from 50-55mph and up
#2 ... WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG...... did I mention wrong?

ANY car can benefiet from a FUNCTIONAL wing on the rear and properly set lip, splitter and canards on the front. aerodynamics don't give a rats A$$ where your drive wheels are, wings, spoliers, lips, splitters etc have been used for anything .... the characterists of what effect you want, what speed you want it at and the shape/height of your car depend on where there are placed and how they are set. if you really think about it on a general scale.. I would rather have a wing on a fwd... they tend to be MUCH lighter on the *** end then the front end.. where as the RWD'* tend to be relatively more evenly weighted. wings are only for downforce, they are very effective at evening out the airstream over the back of the vehicle.

your right but how many people have a tuned out wing on thier car, 99 out of 100 times the wing was just bolted on a car to look "fast"

Thats correct! And why you would rather have a wing on a FWD than a RWD is beyond me. If it was up to me Id have a very small but effective one on a FWD and a nice chunky one on a RWD.

I messed up a sentence in there... wings "AREN'T" only for downforce... anyways....

you'd be suprised how many factory wings and spoilers actually help ... and I will agree that ALOT of wings and spoilers on cars are mainly for looks, and any help they were designed to give from the factory is pretty neligable in the real world. and I won't disagree at all that 99.9% of ppl that get aftermarket wings and slap them on do it for looks (no matter what make of car they drive...) .. as a demonstration... my car before my delta88 was an 1988 tercel Hatchback... the car weighed 1850 lbs with me and 3/4 tank of fuel... literally 70% of that weight was from the front doors forward ... above 55mph the turbulant air coming off the hatch would lighten up the rear of the car even more and really mess with stability. after doing a rebuild (with some added .. fun) we ended up putting an OEM BMW M3 wing on the car for fun, it looked alright and matched the body lines... sat a little over 1.5 inchs off the top of the car and over the back window not directly over the "roof" or top of the hatch. anyways... on the way home on the highway above 55 mph that car straightened right out

now when you get into larger FWD'* like the bonne and the delta... they are fairly evenly balanced for being a FWD car (lots of STUFF in the car ) ... but if your building a car for speed... playing with wings, splitters, canards, front lips and the such.. should be very much in your focus .... I don't really wanna "hi jack" this thread anymore with the wing stuff... just another one of my pet peeves of all these ppl going around thinking that only RWD'* can use wings... it pisses me off