« Paul » wrote:

> Harry Face wrote:
>>
>> You can really sit low in this car. It was a strain on the left arm
>> reaching up to rest it on the windowsill ledge. The console is pretty
>> tall, so your right arm is right there at the center armrest.
>
> Thanks Harry. Good critique.
> Too bad about the 05 high windowsill ledge. Sounds like they have
> gone "GM". I Guess I won't be getting one now.

I've never understood why people rest their arm out the window anyway. I
got sunburned just resting mine on the door arm rest on a long trip and
growing up in the country you learn to keep arms inside as branches/briars
will reach out and grab your arms.

Went around to a few dealers today. At one Ford dealer an 04 Mustang
convert & hardtop were unlocked as was an 05 hardtop.

Plenty of headroom in the 04 convertible but my head was hitting the
roof in the hardtop. Seat travel was good except for going down. Tried
getting in the backseat of the hardtop. Once in I couldn't sit straight
up - had to lean over, back window slant kills the headroom. I couldn't
unbend my legs, nor flip the seatback back once I got in. Backseat is
mainly for kids & dogs.

I didn't sit to long in the 05, got dirty looks from one guy walking
around the lot.
The base model 05 was parked off the sidewalk with traffic whizzing by 8
feet away. Plus I didn't want the police stopping asking what I'm doing
sitting in the car.

Anyway its a bit of an improvement over iterior space of the 04. Plenty
of legroom. Seat travels far enough back, the floor must of been lowered
or the seat lowers more, I had about three inches above my head to the
roof. My head also didn't brush the roof opening getting in & out of
the 05 but did on the 04. I run the seat back to where is was good for
me.

I'm 5' 11" tall.

Looking in the backseat, the front backrest was about 4 inches from the
rear seat cushion. No room for adults. Didn't even attempt to get back
there.


You can really sit low in this car. It was a strain on the left arm
reaching up to rest it on the windowsill ledge. The console is pretty
tall, so your right arm is right there at the center armrest.

With a slight recline to the backrest and from my sitting position I was
able to reach all the controls & buttons with my right hand without
having to reach forward.

The shift lever blocks the lowest row of buttons when in park. Console
storage box was rather smallish, as was the glove box.

I was able to push the rear view mirror up high enough to get it out of
my eyeline. Can't do that with GM's OnStar mirror.

Rear outward vision was good, the quarter window cut outs helps.
Spoiler lets you know where the end of the car is.

Vision out the front was good, looking out over a flat hood.

Judging by all the hand & fingerprints all over the glass & body, its
getting alot of people looking at it.

Another Ford dealer in another town had 3 2005 GT's out Saturday, but
brought them inside after they closed. Nothing out there today.

=========
Harryface
=========

1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
_~_~_~295,752 miles_~_~_

~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_

~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
78 Holiday 88 coupe
68 LeSabre convertible
73 Impala sedan

Harry Face wrote:
>
> You can really sit low in this car. It was a strain on the left arm
> reaching up to rest it on the windowsill ledge. The console is pretty
> tall, so your right arm is right there at the center armrest.

Thanks Harry. Good critique.
Too bad about the 05 high windowsill ledge. Sounds like they have
gone "GM". I Guess I won't be getting one now.

I like the way Ford has kept the "legacy" styling, especialy with the new '05
model. There is no doubt whatsoever that you are looking at a Mustang...even
if you don't see the badge OR the grille emblem. GM could take some lessons
from Ford with the GTO and at least add the signature GTO hood scoop

Take heed, o fans of the GTO. Pontiac has indeed been listening to the
lunatic ravings in the newsgroup (or maybe looked at their dismal sales
sheets) and made some changes to the GTO2. One of them is a hood scoop (but
is it functional?) and added the much rumored LS2. My local dealer has one
on order, due to be built in a few weeks. The salesman tried to show me a
picture, but alas, it was not to be found.

It will be interesting to me to see which scoop finds its way onto the new
hood, though. I've seen aftermarket hoods with '68 style snorkels. I'd
prefer the '65-'67 myself. How about a nice '73 shaker?

"James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:koOdnU0IGvjzTRPcRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>I like the way Ford has kept the "legacy" styling, especialy with the new
>'05
> model. There is no doubt whatsoever that you are looking at a
> Mustang...even
> if you don't see the badge OR the grille emblem. GM could take some
> lessons
> from Ford with the GTO and at least add the signature GTO hood scoop
>
>

Paul

I think I had the seat way to low to judge window sill comfort. Forgot
to mention the seat felt pretty comfortable too.

=========
Harryface
=========

1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
_~_~_~295,752 miles_~_~_

~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_

~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
78 Holiday 88 coupe
68 LeSabre convertible
73 Impala sedan

Harry Face wrote:
> Went around to a few dealers today. At one Ford dealer an 04 Mustang
> convert & hardtop were unlocked as was an 05 hardtop.
>
> Plenty of headroom in the 04 convertible but my head was hitting the
> roof in the hardtop. Seat travel was good except for going down. Tried
> getting in the backseat of the hardtop. Once in I couldn't sit
> straight up - had to lean over, back window slant kills the headroom.
> I couldn't unbend my legs, nor flip the seatback back once I got in.
> Backseat is mainly for kids & dogs.
>
> I didn't sit to long in the 05, got dirty looks from one guy walking
> around the lot.
> The base model 05 was parked off the sidewalk with traffic whizzing
> by 8 feet away. Plus I didn't want the police stopping asking what
> I'm doing sitting in the car.
>
> Anyway its a bit of an improvement over iterior space of the 04.
> Plenty of legroom. Seat travels far enough back, the floor must of
> been lowered or the seat lowers more, I had about three inches above
> my head to the roof. My head also didn't brush the roof opening
> getting in & out of the 05 but did on the 04. I run the seat back to
> where is was good for me.
>
> I'm 5' 11" tall.
>
> Looking in the backseat, the front backrest was about 4 inches from
> the rear seat cushion. No room for adults. Didn't even attempt to get
> back there.
>
>
> You can really sit low in this car. It was a strain on the left arm
> reaching up to rest it on the windowsill ledge. The console is pretty
> tall, so your right arm is right there at the center armrest.
>
> With a slight recline to the backrest and from my sitting position I
> was able to reach all the controls & buttons with my right hand
> without having to reach forward.
>
> The shift lever blocks the lowest row of buttons when in park. Console
> storage box was rather smallish, as was the glove box.
>
> I was able to push the rear view mirror up high enough to get it out
> of my eyeline. Can't do that with GM's OnStar mirror.
>
> Rear outward vision was good, the quarter window cut outs helps.
> Spoiler lets you know where the end of the car is.
>
> Vision out the front was good, looking out over a flat hood.
>
> Judging by all the hand & fingerprints all over the glass & body, its
> getting alot of people looking at it.
>
> Another Ford dealer in another town had 3 2005 GT's out Saturday, but
> brought them inside after they closed. Nothing out there today.
>
> =========
> Harryface
> =========
>
> 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
> 3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
> _~_~_~295,752 miles_~_~_
>
> ~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_
>
> ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
> 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
> 78 Holiday 88 coupe
> 68 LeSabre convertible
> 73 Impala sedan

Thanks for the good, comprehensive critique. Since GM killed my beloved
F-bodies, then Ford came out with the retro Mustang I'm torn. Never been a
Blue Oval guy but I may start thinking more seriously about it. My Bird is
due for a teardown and I hate trying to use a project car as a daily driver.
My Astro van is a good service truck but I drive it so much I really like
getting into a car at the end of the day. I like the specs on the GTO but
the styling leaves me yawning and even with the promised changes to come I
really do dig that "67" looking Mustang.

I have owned three Mustang GT convertibles, 1999, 2001 and I now
drive a 2003. I'm 5'10" and I have not found them to be too small
for my use. The 2005 is much roomer all around however and tight
as a drum. It handles like a dream. I had the chance to drive
both the standard 5 speed and the new 5 speed automatic tranny
coupes on Pocono raceway several weeks ago. The 2005 3V motor
has 40 hp more than the '04 but it feels like another 100 HP and
has a great sound. The EPA is 25 MPG, just one less that the 260
HP V8. I have a 2005 GT convertible on order. MSRP is just over
30K with every option but the super sound system, but Ford is not
building convertibles until February so I must wait. The 2005
is an awesome vehicle. Especially when you consider the Toyota
and Chrysler convertibles cost four to five thousands more and
only have V6 engines that are driving the wrong end of the car.
The Mustang base V6 MSRP starts UNDER 20K and the GT coupe has an
MSRP of only $24,500 too boot. The Mustang should have no
trouble at all in spreading its lead over all of its competitors
by even greater numbers in 2005


mike hunt




Harry Face wrote:
>
> Went around to a few dealers today. At one Ford dealer an 04 Mustang
> convert & hardtop were unlocked as was an 05 hardtop.
>
> Plenty of headroom in the 04 convertible but my head was hitting the
> roof in the hardtop. Seat travel was good except for going down. Tried
> getting in the backseat of the hardtop. Once in I couldn't sit straight
> up - had to lean over, back window slant kills the headroom. I couldn't
> unbend my legs, nor flip the seatback back once I got in. Backseat is
> mainly for kids & dogs.
>
> I didn't sit to long in the 05, got dirty looks from one guy walking
> around the lot.
> The base model 05 was parked off the sidewalk with traffic whizzing by 8
> feet away. Plus I didn't want the police stopping asking what I'm doing
> sitting in the car.
>
> Anyway its a bit of an improvement over iterior space of the 04. Plenty
> of legroom. Seat travels far enough back, the floor must of been lowered
> or the seat lowers more, I had about three inches above my head to the
> roof. My head also didn't brush the roof opening getting in & out of
> the 05 but did on the 04. I run the seat back to where is was good for
> me.
>
> I'm 5' 11" tall.
>
> Looking in the backseat, the front backrest was about 4 inches from the
> rear seat cushion. No room for adults. Didn't even attempt to get back
> there.
>
> You can really sit low in this car. It was a strain on the left arm
> reaching up to rest it on the windowsill ledge. The console is pretty
> tall, so your right arm is right there at the center armrest.
>
> With a slight recline to the backrest and from my sitting position I was
> able to reach all the controls & buttons with my right hand without
> having to reach forward.
>
> The shift lever blocks the lowest row of buttons when in park. Console
> storage box was rather smallish, as was the glove box.
>
> I was able to push the rear view mirror up high enough to get it out of
> my eyeline. Can't do that with GM's OnStar mirror.
>
> Rear outward vision was good, the quarter window cut outs helps.
> Spoiler lets you know where the end of the car is.
>
> Vision out the front was good, looking out over a flat hood.
>
> Judging by all the hand & fingerprints all over the glass & body, its
> getting alot of people looking at it.
>
> Another Ford dealer in another town had 3 2005 GT's out Saturday, but
> brought them inside after they closed. Nothing out there today.
>
> =========
> Harryface
> =========
>
> 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
> 3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
> _~_~_~295,752 miles_~_~_
>
> ~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_
>
> ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
> 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
> 78 Holiday 88 coupe
> 68 LeSabre convertible
> 73 Impala sedan
>
>

I prefer the 1967 version of the scoop as well. The scoop on the 67 I owned
(30+ years ago) was not functional though, from what I remember.

"InjunRAIV" <stopspam@once.now> wrote in message
news:418f1f31@news.greennet.net...
| Take heed, o fans of the GTO. Pontiac has indeed been listening to the
| lunatic ravings in the newsgroup (or maybe looked at their dismal sales
| sheets) and made some changes to the GTO2. One of them is a hood scoop (but
| is it functional?) and added the much rumored LS2. My local dealer has one
| on order, due to be built in a few weeks. The salesman tried to show me a
| picture, but alas, it was not to be found.
|
| It will be interesting to me to see which scoop finds its way onto the new
| hood, though. I've seen aftermarket hoods with '68 style snorkels. I'd
| prefer the '65-'67 myself. How about a nice '73 shaker?
|

FBR wrote:
>
> Harry Face wrote:
> > Went around to a few dealers today. At one Ford dealer an 04 Mustang
> > convert & hardtop were unlocked as was an 05 hardtop.

> Thanks for the good, comprehensive critique. Since GM killed my beloved
> F-bodies, then Ford came out with the retro Mustang I'm torn. Never been a
> Blue Oval guy but I may start thinking more seriously about it. My Bird is
> due for a teardown and I hate trying to use a project car as a daily driver.
> My Astro van is a good service truck but I drive it so much I really like
> getting into a car at the end of the day. I like the specs on the GTO but
> the styling leaves me yawning and even with the promised changes to come I
> really do dig that "67" looking Mustang.

It sure is tempting. I will have to test drive a GT.
Maybe a power seat would go high enough for me to hang an arm
or two out the window.