These figures can't be debated either, can they?
09-30-2008, 10:11 PM
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At 5:15 p.m Monday evening, Sen. John McCain addressed a pool of reporters in Ohio, declaring that it was not the appropriate time or place for people to cast blame on Congress' failure to pass an economic bailout package.
"Now is not the time to affix the blame. It'* time to fix the problem. I would hope that all our leaders, all of them, can put aside short-term political goals and do what'* in the best interests of the American people."
It was an utter farce of a call for political level-headedness. The very sentence before McCain uttered those words, he lambasted "Senator Obama and his allies in Congress" for infusing "unnecessary partisanship into the process."
Watch:
Ten minutes later, the Republican National Committee blasted out an email with the following subject header: "Obama Stood By, Did Nothing, And Showed No Leadership On The Bailout Negotiations."
Ten minutes after that, McCain'* economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin blamed Democrats in the Congress for foiling the bill.
"Today that process broke down and it broke down quite frankly from partisan attacks from Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi on the floor," he said, "and quite frankly after a partisan attack, Republicans chose to fold their cards and rather than rise above those attacks they chose to walk away from the bill."
In fact, slightly more than an hour before McCain made his plea to cast political conflicts aside, his campaign -- through Holtz-Eakin -- was ripping Obama for a failure of leadership on the issue.
"Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill," he said.
Asked to explain the seeming incongruity of it all, Holtz Eakin was evasive.
"I have sat in frustration and watched the tone of the attack over John McCain as he was accused of injecting presidential politics," he said, "when in fact he made every effort not to inject himself into the Senate and House negotiations... he has done in my estimation the finest of jobs in this, taking a process that was dead in the water and bring it to a vote today."
Now, attacking the opposition while simultaneously putting your hands up in innocence is nothing new in politics. But the actions of the McCain campaign late Monday indicate, at the very least, that they recognize a problematic narrative developing in political and media circles. The Senator wagered heavily on "suspending" his campaign, even taking credit for a bailout passage Sunday and Monday. In order to not seem political, he clung to the idea that he was forging a bipartisan compromise. When the proposal fell short of passage he didn't want the responsibility anymore, but the campaign still doesn't want to look like it'* making electoral hay out of the crisis. And so, one gets these disjointed statements.
you can watch it here:
McCain: Now Is Not The Time For Blame, But I Blame Obama
just funny. i'm sure obama'* campaign is guilt of something similar but it'* almost too funny.
oh and check this out:
So let'* take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:
* On Webb'* GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.
* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.
* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.
* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.
* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.
* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.
what a hero.
"Now is not the time to affix the blame. It'* time to fix the problem. I would hope that all our leaders, all of them, can put aside short-term political goals and do what'* in the best interests of the American people."
It was an utter farce of a call for political level-headedness. The very sentence before McCain uttered those words, he lambasted "Senator Obama and his allies in Congress" for infusing "unnecessary partisanship into the process."
Watch:
Ten minutes later, the Republican National Committee blasted out an email with the following subject header: "Obama Stood By, Did Nothing, And Showed No Leadership On The Bailout Negotiations."
Ten minutes after that, McCain'* economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin blamed Democrats in the Congress for foiling the bill.
"Today that process broke down and it broke down quite frankly from partisan attacks from Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi on the floor," he said, "and quite frankly after a partisan attack, Republicans chose to fold their cards and rather than rise above those attacks they chose to walk away from the bill."
In fact, slightly more than an hour before McCain made his plea to cast political conflicts aside, his campaign -- through Holtz-Eakin -- was ripping Obama for a failure of leadership on the issue.
"Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill," he said.
Asked to explain the seeming incongruity of it all, Holtz Eakin was evasive.
"I have sat in frustration and watched the tone of the attack over John McCain as he was accused of injecting presidential politics," he said, "when in fact he made every effort not to inject himself into the Senate and House negotiations... he has done in my estimation the finest of jobs in this, taking a process that was dead in the water and bring it to a vote today."
Now, attacking the opposition while simultaneously putting your hands up in innocence is nothing new in politics. But the actions of the McCain campaign late Monday indicate, at the very least, that they recognize a problematic narrative developing in political and media circles. The Senator wagered heavily on "suspending" his campaign, even taking credit for a bailout passage Sunday and Monday. In order to not seem political, he clung to the idea that he was forging a bipartisan compromise. When the proposal fell short of passage he didn't want the responsibility anymore, but the campaign still doesn't want to look like it'* making electoral hay out of the crisis. And so, one gets these disjointed statements.
you can watch it here:
McCain: Now Is Not The Time For Blame, But I Blame Obama
just funny. i'm sure obama'* campaign is guilt of something similar but it'* almost too funny.
oh and check this out:
So let'* take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:
* On Webb'* GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.
* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.
* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.
* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.
* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.
* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.
what a hero.
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10-01-2008, 02:08 AM
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Pretty well put... again someone like me, tired of it.
I don't want a bail out...
Pelosi is a liar, can't be trusted. I live in AZ, trust me, I see how bad she'* mismanaged her budget in the last two years.
Note to Mr. Iluvmybonnie'* comment;
>>>by that do you mean: To “occupy Iraq for 100 years”, “bomb Iran”, and “just keep Afghanistan”.
Answer no. I agree with Obama on this one,
I see no point in staying in the middle east with no end date.. of course.
I say we put everyone including Iraq, on notice.... we plan to make the Iraq armed forces bad a$$ by X date and they won't need our help by then. Don't think for a second they are getting the support indeffinately. If we go over a little.. fine, we could also shorten the timeline if the Iraq solders are placed on noticed, "you have X-amount of time"...
I also don't think you should axaggerate like that. its not that far that we are divided in our beliefs.
Just to really open the can of worms, the only reason we have this terrrorist problem is because we are protecting Isreal. I have worked wih the Isrealie people and I never worked with such a bunch of A-holes.. I was dissapointed, blown away, dissapointed. This topic is way to deep and I will admitt, I am in agreement with both parties views on the issues. I just wish we didn't have the parties.
Don't you think the US is in the way? ... stopping the eventuality of time, the arabs are suposed to blow Isreal off the face of the planet. Why are we so concerned about Bethleham, its just a city right? We believe in Jesus Christ in spirit right? who needs a rock that covered the tume? BTW, a friend was at that site last year and said the rock/bolder is really small now because people have been chiping away at it and taking pieces from it for... well, almost 2000 years now.
I'd like someone to explain this to me without being innsulted or insulting but why are we protecting Isreal? they are the mother land right? But how are we doing them a favor? why is it the right thing to do? Why are we obligated to protect them?, it - the state/country. What'* the point? Is it worth it? How do we know its worth it?
I don't want a bail out...
Pelosi is a liar, can't be trusted. I live in AZ, trust me, I see how bad she'* mismanaged her budget in the last two years.
Note to Mr. Iluvmybonnie'* comment;
>>>by that do you mean: To “occupy Iraq for 100 years”, “bomb Iran”, and “just keep Afghanistan”.
Answer no. I agree with Obama on this one,
I see no point in staying in the middle east with no end date.. of course.
I say we put everyone including Iraq, on notice.... we plan to make the Iraq armed forces bad a$$ by X date and they won't need our help by then. Don't think for a second they are getting the support indeffinately. If we go over a little.. fine, we could also shorten the timeline if the Iraq solders are placed on noticed, "you have X-amount of time"...
I also don't think you should axaggerate like that. its not that far that we are divided in our beliefs.
Just to really open the can of worms, the only reason we have this terrrorist problem is because we are protecting Isreal. I have worked wih the Isrealie people and I never worked with such a bunch of A-holes.. I was dissapointed, blown away, dissapointed. This topic is way to deep and I will admitt, I am in agreement with both parties views on the issues. I just wish we didn't have the parties.
Don't you think the US is in the way? ... stopping the eventuality of time, the arabs are suposed to blow Isreal off the face of the planet. Why are we so concerned about Bethleham, its just a city right? We believe in Jesus Christ in spirit right? who needs a rock that covered the tume? BTW, a friend was at that site last year and said the rock/bolder is really small now because people have been chiping away at it and taking pieces from it for... well, almost 2000 years now.
I'd like someone to explain this to me without being innsulted or insulting but why are we protecting Isreal? they are the mother land right? But how are we doing them a favor? why is it the right thing to do? Why are we obligated to protect them?, it - the state/country. What'* the point? Is it worth it? How do we know its worth it?
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I have to apologize for my rants, normally I just pay, keep it on the down low... when I watch the politics on TV i start getting ticked because its not fair & balanced news reporting.
I like John because he never sold out his country, and of course it my counrty too, I was born here, I got my SS number when I was a kid, my first job I made $1.75 per hour at minimum wage
I paid my own way thru school, same for my wife. I hear people talk about their parents giving them money for a house, paying for their edu.. etc.... Boittom line, I had to work the good old fasion way, hard work.
The problem I have with Barack (not sure on spelling) is that he is a lawyer. I've seen the picture of him and the Hillary-witch standing in front of the American flag... everyone with their hands on their harts except Obama, he thinks its a violation of his rights to be expected to put his hand over his hart while listening to the nations greatest song. I just don't get that??? call it "my bad" but i just don't get it.
He never served in the US armed forces. Why not? Lawyers don't have too? or is it a violation of their rights to serve for their country...
Sarah Palin has written more bills then Obama has, actually Obama has never written a bill. I think she'* more qualified to be the VP then Obama is qualified to be the prez...
i don't think John is the best fit for the prez but he'* the best of the two when choosing between the two candidates because he believes in his country and he'* not interested in getting rich, he'* already set FWIW. He'* willing to do it for the greater good of the country.
Obama... I can't figure it out, what can he do besides tax me more, give it to people like my in-laws who don't come to visit because they don't have money for gas. they hate me because I have a job.
That excuse was fine 17 years ago when I married my wife but after all these years they still haven't done squat with their lives.. but i still pay my taxes and I also paid for a share of their 4 childerns hospital bills because they still don't have jobs with medical. That sucks for them too.. i guess.. I would imagine, somehow the bills do get paid and that really beggs the question, how do they pay their doctor bills?
I'm all for re-newable power resources, I'd love to be involved in new technology, that'* why I'm in my industry right now anyway, i want to be part of the future.
So I submitt to you that I am totally on the fence with the energy issues.
I like the idea of being the last nation standing with oil.
I like the idea of drilling American oil because its a bridge to get the US into the new technologies without going broke on foreign oil supply.
Bio-diesel smells, I don't like the smell. why can't we just move forward. The confusion for me is, why are we doing nearly nothing. just because we don't know the approach doesn't don't make a move. Let'* start trying new stuff. let'* try and fail, how many inventions are made from mistakes anyway? let'* go make some mistakes. Let'* buiild some nuke plants, then develope the more efficiant reactor. wouldn't it be great if we could use more then 5% of the rods at those nuke plants? I think so.
With alkl the mechanical energy in water, it will make some awesome engines wen the day'* all done.
Did you know that with solar we can only capture 18% of the energy from the sun, wouldn't it be more efficiant to capture 80% of the energy. we can only capture the IR band, nothing from the color spectrum. We can transfer heat for our swimming pools thou-
Sorry about the colorfull conversation, FWIW, I'm registered to vote and I will.
I like John because he never sold out his country, and of course it my counrty too, I was born here, I got my SS number when I was a kid, my first job I made $1.75 per hour at minimum wage
I paid my own way thru school, same for my wife. I hear people talk about their parents giving them money for a house, paying for their edu.. etc.... Boittom line, I had to work the good old fasion way, hard work. The problem I have with Barack (not sure on spelling) is that he is a lawyer. I've seen the picture of him and the Hillary-witch standing in front of the American flag... everyone with their hands on their harts except Obama, he thinks its a violation of his rights to be expected to put his hand over his hart while listening to the nations greatest song. I just don't get that??? call it "my bad" but i just don't get it.
He never served in the US armed forces. Why not? Lawyers don't have too? or is it a violation of their rights to serve for their country...
Sarah Palin has written more bills then Obama has, actually Obama has never written a bill. I think she'* more qualified to be the VP then Obama is qualified to be the prez...
i don't think John is the best fit for the prez but he'* the best of the two when choosing between the two candidates because he believes in his country and he'* not interested in getting rich, he'* already set FWIW. He'* willing to do it for the greater good of the country.
Obama... I can't figure it out, what can he do besides tax me more, give it to people like my in-laws who don't come to visit because they don't have money for gas. they hate me because I have a job.
That excuse was fine 17 years ago when I married my wife but after all these years they still haven't done squat with their lives.. but i still pay my taxes and I also paid for a share of their 4 childerns hospital bills because they still don't have jobs with medical. That sucks for them too.. i guess.. I would imagine, somehow the bills do get paid and that really beggs the question, how do they pay their doctor bills?
I'm all for re-newable power resources, I'd love to be involved in new technology, that'* why I'm in my industry right now anyway, i want to be part of the future.
So I submitt to you that I am totally on the fence with the energy issues.
I like the idea of being the last nation standing with oil.
I like the idea of drilling American oil because its a bridge to get the US into the new technologies without going broke on foreign oil supply.
Bio-diesel smells, I don't like the smell. why can't we just move forward. The confusion for me is, why are we doing nearly nothing. just because we don't know the approach doesn't don't make a move. Let'* start trying new stuff. let'* try and fail, how many inventions are made from mistakes anyway? let'* go make some mistakes. Let'* buiild some nuke plants, then develope the more efficiant reactor. wouldn't it be great if we could use more then 5% of the rods at those nuke plants? I think so.
With alkl the mechanical energy in water, it will make some awesome engines wen the day'* all done.
Did you know that with solar we can only capture 18% of the energy from the sun, wouldn't it be more efficiant to capture 80% of the energy. we can only capture the IR band, nothing from the color spectrum. We can transfer heat for our swimming pools thou-
Sorry about the colorfull conversation, FWIW, I'm registered to vote and I will.
Barrack Obama also doesn't believe you have the right to defend yourself. He has always voted against lawful citizens owning guns.
We still don't know if he is legally able to run for president.
10-03-2008, 09:29 AM
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Amen Brother. Democrats have always been bigger Government and more spending. If you think that is not going to hit you in the wallet, your foolish.
Barrack Obama also doesn't believe you have the right to defend yourself. He has always voted against lawful citizens owning guns.
We still don't know if he is legally able to run for president.
Barrack Obama also doesn't believe you have the right to defend yourself. He has always voted against lawful citizens owning guns.
We still don't know if he is legally able to run for president.
#2 you do realize that this picture is true right? fiscal.jpg Democrats have always been bigger Government and more spending. hmmm
obama has voted against handguns which makes PERFECT sense. go look up the # of handgun deaths vs rifle/shotgun deaths among children in america. i'm all for arming ones self. i have no problem if the gov wants to make it harder to get handguns. handguns account for 90% of inner city gun deaths. the right to bear arms is to protect us from the gov in theory right? if you were fighting the us gov n army do you think hand guns or rifles would be the most useful?
#3 have you seen ANY of palin'* interviews? she'* a nut. she'* never seen russia and has 0 foreign policy experience. i like mccain decent guy. i like him a hell of alot more then i like buish. but i like obama a hell of alot more. on top of that mccain is VERY likely to croak while in office and i swear to god palin will not run this country she doesn't know ****. the only supreme court case she knows is rode vs wade!!! hello!
YouTube - SNL- Sarah Palin and Katie Couric & Side-By-Side Comparison <---this woman will never be given a chance to run this country!
again argue me with these facts. Mccain will be another bush 100% true. how do i know this? what proof?
McCain Voted with the Bush Administration 89 Percent of the Time. Since President Bush took office, McCain has supported Bush’* positions 89 percent of the time. McCain’* support of Bush’* policies reached as high as 95 percent in 2007. [Congressional Quarterly Voting Study, 110th Congress]
it'* another bush. bush has royally F'd up this country. Everyone agrees with that right?
10-03-2008, 06:00 PM
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I warned you both at the beginning of the thread, I wasnt likeing where this was going, and for a time, each cooled his heels. But it'* gotten out of hand and and discussion has turned to namecalling and finger pointing. This is a Car Forum, and the Lounge is for, in general, light hearted topics. Reading through this, I find you have both made your points and I see nothing further positive coming out of this. End of discussion. Locked.
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