i think it looks alright although i'm not into ricing one out

The judge did have a wing way back when...

You're right it did.

on a RWD thats not rice, its PERFORMANCE!!! Gotta keep those wheels on the ground! Ive seen a wing, like the aluminum kind on a 'vette, and after thinking about it, it does actually work and help the car, as ugly as it was.

Amen,..that wing thing sucks. I like the reg. GTO better, personally. Maybe it will look better up close, in real time

personnely i like it. it looks more original

that pic must be a joke, noway

look at the edges of the pic, I think its a photoshop. GTOs look good from the front, but unfortunatly nobody sees that side

This is a photoshop...but looked kinda cool

Has SLP and GM worked things out?

I've posted this here before does anyone have any updates.


GM and SLP are battling for the GTO Judge name and associated trademark.



DETROIT -- General Motors and an aftermarket company that specializes in producing high-performance vehicles both are laying claim to the name "Judge" for a souped-up version of the new Pontiac GTO.

GM believes it owns the name, since it created the GTO Judge, a special performance and appearance model of the GTO marketed from 1969 through 1971. The Judge name has not been used on a vehicle since then. Production of the original GTO ended in 1974.

SLP Engineering, of Troy, Mich., best known for creating the high-performance Firebird Firehawk, says it has made the name a registered trademark in preparation for launching its own high-performance models of the GTO next spring.

SLP founder Ed Hamburger said his company will offer three souped-up GTO models, one with 370 hp, one with 389 hp and one badged the "421 Judge," a version that will make 421 hp.

Lapsed ownership?

Hamburger said SLP researched the Judge name and found that ownership had been allowed to lapse. He says he also trademarked the phrase "Here'* Comes The Judge," which could be used in advertising.

GM didn't think it was worth the money to pay Flip Wilson for the phrase "Here'* Comes The Judge" when the judge was first introduced

"GM created the trademark and it has always been associated with GM and the GTO," said Robert Kraut, GTO brand manager. "You get the right to use the trademark with usage and association."

GM will do whatever is necessary to protect its trademarks, a spokesman said.

Hamburger said SLP'* GTO packages are aimed at addressing what GTO enthusiasts say are shortcomings of the new car - the lack of a functional hood scoop, rumbling dual exhausts and an aggressive appearance that signals the car'* tire-shredding performance.

GTO purists have been pummeling GM with complaints about the car'* styling, which many say is too bland and doesn't contain any of the original car'* styling DNA.

GM officials have said they specifically don't want the new GTO to look like the old models for fear it will be perceived as a flash in the pan retro car and have a short shelf life.

Pontiac plans to sell about 18,000 GTOs in the 2004 model year. The car will sell for about $33,000.

Kraut said that an advance-order system put in place last summer has been successful, and that the first buyers are tracking their cars as they are being built. Kraut would not say how many GTOs have been sold, but said he'* "cautiously optimistic" that the first year'* production will sell out.

The 2004 GTO arrives in early December. It is based on the rear-wheel-drive Holden Monaro from Australia and features a 350-hp, 5.7-liter V-8 and rear-wheel drive.

Bolt-on performance

As with the Firehawk, consumers will buy GTOs from a dealer, who will ship the car to an SLP-approved upfitter to have the performance parts added.

"We've established ourselves in the marketplace as a GM tuner," said Hamburger. "This is the next logical extension of the Firehawk program now that that car has been mothballed."

For the GTO, GM is not sharing technical information with SLP. Kraut said that GM is neutral about SLP'* beefed up GTOs.

"Our position is that we encourage the production of aftermarket components for our products," said Kraut. "There is a long history of SLP doing this. We shouldn't be surprised that there is a lot of interest in the GTO."

Kraut would not talk about future GM-built super-tuned versions of the GTO other than to say various groups within GM are looking at the car. "There'* a real need for personalization and customization in that category of car."

Hopefully they can work something out, but GM should get the Judge nameplate, and let SLP build it as with the FireHawks.