Were the 92-99 carry over cars from 87-91 Under the skin?
01-26-2006, 12:11 PM
#1
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Were the 92-99 carry over cars from 87-91 Under the skin?
Meaning did GM use the same suspension/chasis from the 87-91 model year onto the new 92+ body design? I know the skin got changed new doors, fenders etc but was the cars chasis platform the same underneath the new skin?
I was looking at my friends 91 SE and my 94 SSE when I peeked under the car his suspension and exhaust setup looked exactly like mine did. Rode on the same 110inch wheel base etc. So that got me thinking was the 92+ model new from the ground up or just a new body on the same old chasis?
Engine(5hp diff),tranny, wheelbase,fuel tank,battery, alternator, radiator locations were the same as a 91 model.
just trying to fiugre out what chaged mechanically on the new body design? I want to know if the suspension was totally redesigned, electrical system redesigned etc..
I was looking at my friends 91 SE and my 94 SSE when I peeked under the car his suspension and exhaust setup looked exactly like mine did. Rode on the same 110inch wheel base etc. So that got me thinking was the 92+ model new from the ground up or just a new body on the same old chasis?
Engine(5hp diff),tranny, wheelbase,fuel tank,battery, alternator, radiator locations were the same as a 91 model.
just trying to fiugre out what chaged mechanically on the new body design? I want to know if the suspension was totally redesigned, electrical system redesigned etc..
01-26-2006, 12:34 PM
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
Basicly it was the same car remodeled from the second floor up... lol
There were several improvements over the years... Both in front suspension and structural rigididty... The 91 models got a lot of the newer stuff before the 92 model year redesign... The 91-92 Bonneville use the same springs, struts and the like... But the 91 had the THM440-T4( 4T60 ) fully hydraulic trans and the 92 had the 4T60-E or Electronic trans... Yes they pretty much rode on the same wheel base and underpinnings... Its amazing to see the parts that can swap from year to year...
For example I wanted a larger rear sway bar for my 95.... so I got the 21mm rear sway for it and yanked the 18 mm stock rear sway bar...
I looked at my 91 LE and saw the dinky 14mm sway on it and decided to throw the 18 mm sway on it for better handling.... It was a good improvement..
So yes even with the diffrences they are very simmilar
__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote
There were several improvements over the years... Both in front suspension and structural rigididty... The 91 models got a lot of the newer stuff before the 92 model year redesign... The 91-92 Bonneville use the same springs, struts and the like... But the 91 had the THM440-T4( 4T60 ) fully hydraulic trans and the 92 had the 4T60-E or Electronic trans... Yes they pretty much rode on the same wheel base and underpinnings... Its amazing to see the parts that can swap from year to year...
For example I wanted a larger rear sway bar for my 95.... so I got the 21mm rear sway for it and yanked the 18 mm stock rear sway bar...
I looked at my 91 LE and saw the dinky 14mm sway on it and decided to throw the 18 mm sway on it for better handling.... It was a good improvement..
So yes even with the diffrences they are very simmilar
__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote
01-26-2006, 12:58 PM
#3
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS
Expert Gearhead
If you search on Frankenbonne you'll see that the entire subframe, steering, motor and even torque axis mount bolt right up.
90 had a vacuum can on the firewall...97 had a cruise control module there... bolted right up. Fans look identical...stuff like that...Even the fuel lines sat right ...on the other side of the frame..but they went right on.
90 had a vacuum can on the firewall...97 had a cruise control module there... bolted right up. Fans look identical...stuff like that...Even the fuel lines sat right ...on the other side of the frame..but they went right on.
01-26-2006, 01:37 PM
#4
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So basically it'* identical to the 91 model, under the new shape lies the same old beast. I knew they had to be similar casue my frineds 91 felt very similar to my 94 when I drove it. Now I know why,cause it basically is the same car under neath.
Im sure in 2000 they had allot of Chasis imporvements over the 99 model year.
that kinda sucks GM didn't give us a better chasis/ frame new suspension for a supposedly new model 92+
Still love the car just kinda feel like they sent cheap on us.
Im sure in 2000 they had allot of Chasis imporvements over the 99 model year.
that kinda sucks GM didn't give us a better chasis/ frame new suspension for a supposedly new model 92+
Still love the car just kinda feel like they sent cheap on us.
01-26-2006, 01:41 PM
#5
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS
Expert Gearhead
Originally Posted by fatboyq
So basically it'* identical to the 91 model, under the new shape lies the same old beast. I knew they had to be similar casue my frineds 91 felt very similar to my 94 when I drove it. Now I know why,cause it basically is the same car under neath.
Im sure in 2000 they had allot of Chasis imporvements over the 99 model year.
that kinda sucks GM didn't give us a better chasis/ frame new suspension for a supposedly new model 92+
Still love the car just kinda feel like they sent cheap on us.
Im sure in 2000 they had allot of Chasis imporvements over the 99 model year.
that kinda sucks GM didn't give us a better chasis/ frame new suspension for a supposedly new model 92+
Still love the car just kinda feel like they sent cheap on us.
I knew that 
01-26-2006, 04:14 PM
#9
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I hear what your saying however; and engine and a car are completer different things. I don't mind they GM used the 3.8L from the prevous years, it just that when you redesign a car from the ground up you tend to improve suspension geometry, steering effort, ride quality, structural integrity, less wind noise, engine noise etc to improve your product i.e. Bonneville. It was more of a re-skin then a redesign to save money etc, increase profits on the car since they had been making the chasis for years.
Just trying to figure out what really changed in 92+ models compared to the 87-91. I searched the web but found nothing much. For example 1n 1997 when BMW redesigned the 5 series they had aluminum suspension composnents and the frame/ chasis was 50% more ridgid etc, according to edmunds.com not direct quote on #*.
This is what Im trying to figure out with the 92 redesign.
Just trying to figure out what really changed in 92+ models compared to the 87-91. I searched the web but found nothing much. For example 1n 1997 when BMW redesigned the 5 series they had aluminum suspension composnents and the frame/ chasis was 50% more ridgid etc, according to edmunds.com not direct quote on #*.
This is what Im trying to figure out with the 92 redesign.
01-26-2006, 04:49 PM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
The 92 model were a more rigid design than any of the 87-91 Bonnies... I believe that the improvement was more than 50%... Some of that improvement is evident in the 91 Models as a lot of the newer technology was added in 91... Both the C and H bodies has some structural improvements that made the car more rigid...
The Underpinnings are the same, but the unibody did go through some changes...
And to top it off what suspension did your friends SE Bonneville have?
__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote
The Underpinnings are the same, but the unibody did go through some changes...
And to top it off what suspension did your friends SE Bonneville have?
__________________
Best Car Insurance | Auto Protection Today | FREE Trade-In Quote