rather die in a 4-500hp Bonneville than a boring old BMW. Nice car but boring.
Ummm, sorry but I cant agree with you at all there. Maybe its just personal preference and difference of opinion, but driving a BMW is everything in the book EXCEPT boring. Take a M3 out for a spin, and then come back and tell me a Bonneville is more fun. No original Feel?? They have a 3.2L, Natrually-Aspirated Engine Producing 333 Horsepower, STOCK. Domestic car manufacturers would kill for that technology (which is most likely why they are all merging up, to avoid the import car market from completely wiping them out), but thats another discussion.
Ok, ok, so lets comapre GM'* top of the line V6, our beloved 3.8L Series II SUPERCHARGED L67, which produces an *amazing* 240 horsepower. Wanna compare apples to apples, then you shouldnt use the L67, you'd be using a Natrually Aspirated 3800 producing *wow* 205 horses is it?? Ok, maybe its higher now, maybe 220??
Ok, I know what your thinking, for the price difference between the 2 cars, do some mods to your SSEi or GTP'* L67. Pulley, Exhaust, CAI (All voiding your warranty in these areas while the BMW is still stock, fully protected), and MAYBE when your done you'll have a 300+ Horsepower Bonneville or Grand Prix. You cant however use any of this power because your afraid you'll tear your 4T65E-HD into shreds, which you will. If you dont believe me let me know and I can post TONS of links from the clubgp board of people doing just that.
Ok, ok, so still within the price difference of the 2 cars, swap the tranny then, and spend even more time and money into something you'll never get back out of it (BMW still stock and under warranty). Even so, Scott Cook has gone through how many Transmission'* now with his 450 hp bonneville? 8?
Last time I checked, the X5 came with 20'*, STOCK!! Lemme see... Yep!
"20 x 9.5 front/20 x 10.5 rear Star Spoke cast-alloy wheels, and 275/40R-20 front, 315/35R-20 rear performance tires2"
Does GM have anything with 20'* ?
Ummm.. Not to my knowledge...
I dont think anyone Domestic does, but please prove me wrong.
My last car was a Volkwagen (1990). It is German engineering through and through, but it had a crash rating of 2/1 (which is the worst) where as my Bonneville has a crash rating of 5/4 (5 being for driver and 4 being for passenger).
Umm, lets compare apples to apples once again please. Not a '90 VW to a '95 Bonneville.
(Found this on the web, have the link if anyone wants, just search NHTSA)
Real-world death rates by vehicle
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study (covers 1990-1994 vehicles)
SAFEST VEHICLES 1990-1994
Mercedes-Benz 190 D/E
Lexus ES 300
Lexus LS 400
Jeep Grand Cherokee 4X4
WORST VEHICLES 1990-1994
Chevrolet S10 pickup
Funny how almost all the best are imports, and all the worst are domestic. :( :(
Ok, lets move up a few years to 1997:
Which vehicles score best?
J.D. Power and Associates: Initial quality survey, 3 months - 1997 list
Compact: Saturn SL, Toyota Tercel (tie)
Entry midsize: Nissan Altima
Premium midsize: Honda Accord
Sporty: Acura Integra
Entry luxury: Infiniti I30
Premium luxury: Lexus LS400
Compact pickup: Toyota Tacoma
Minivan: Honda Odyssey
Midsize sport utility: Infiniti QX4
Full-size sport utility: Lexus LX450
Full-size pickup: Ford F-series
Thats Funny, I see ONE Domestic vehicle, a pickup truck.
To bad this report came out before the New Tundras were introduced in the late 90'*, because it took over that spot.
Alright, I'm done. I'm not trying to be a complete ******* by making this post. I love my car, and love talking with other Bonneville owners in this forum, as some are good friends, but anyone whos been in the automotive industry for any given period of time will tell you exactly as I have. They invent it, we steal it 5-years later. ABS and Airbags are a good start, but old news to comapre. Most Domestic cars are now just implementing side air bags though, which are a great beneift in a crash. To bad VW'* had them in the Passat since '98. HID Headlights? Europes had them for years, a clearly awesome automotive breakthrough, however I have yet to see a US car with them (even Japans adapted, they are stock on most new Acura CL, TL and RL models). Give GM and ford a few years, they'll catch up. How about some convienience and performance features? I *think* you can get heated seats in the 2000+ Bonnevilles stock, as well as other 2000+ GM vehicles. To bad my moms old 1986 7 series Volvo had them, 14 years earlier. How about trigger Finger shifting found in the new BMW'* (M3), which lets you shift using buttons / paddles on the steering wheel. Tested time and time again against typical 5-6 speed manual transmission equipped cars with some of Europes best drivers, and even souped up automatics shifting precisely as they can get, it still cant be beat. Another technological breakthrough. Give GM and Chrysler 5-6 Years and I bet you'll see this in the 2008 Vette and Viper. On a side note isnt it funny how a stock 6-Cylinder boring BMW can give one of Americas finest Muscle cars, the Corvette with its LS1 V8 a serious run for its money, in some cases (equipped with the new formula shifting buttons) beating it? hmm.
The next big thing?? Mark my Words... All-Wheel Drive. Europes been doing it for years, and its catching on fast. Virtually the whole import market is jumpin on. Subaru'* been doing it since god knows when. Volvo and Saab both affer AWD cars, as well as BMW (330ci I think) and Mercedes. Porsche? Why yes, the Carrera 4. The list goes on and on. Domestic? Well, Pontiac is sadly trying with the Assteck and maybe even the vibe?? But failing and not even coming close to the level of AWD their foreign competitors provide. Chrysler even tried to hype up their new "viscious coupler design, allowing the transmission and differentials to put power to the wheels with traction opposed to those without like normal 4WD" back in '99 with the introduction of their new re-designed Grand Cherokee. To bad Subaru has been doing this since before I was born, they just borrowed the technology and changed it a bit so it wasnt *quite* enough the same to get a lawsuit. Its the American way.
Alright, I'm done. I'm sure you get my point....