They are nice looking rims. Cons: Not liking the centercaps. And I have that problem with alot of them. Like others the centercaps are made to "Look" expensive. And come off like a big medallion hanging off your neck. I am staying away from rims that protrude beyond the tire bead. Even with the newer tire machines, idiots still marr and scratch them. And if anytime lapses, the rim is out of production, and it doesn't matter if the shop is reputable and will cover the cost of the rim. Which in itself is a big problem.