I just bought another Bonneville! (SOLD! - owned 23 days)
03-22-2008, 10:53 PM
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One of the few ways that can happen is if the tires on those wheels had the quickie, canned air off the shelf, air instead of being properly inflated. There'* something about the chemicals in the can that tears away at the wheels if it'* left in for a couple weeks or more. I learned that from 1337ssei'* dad, who saw it at a tire shop.
03-22-2008, 11:22 PM
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If it is what I suspect, you could drop from about a foot above a pen, and it would go right through the wheel. In a happy sort of way, that'* metal returning to its natural state...
03-23-2008, 02:17 AM
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When the wheels are like this, they are vulnerable even from the side not covered by tires. That'* a good point, though. I probably wouldn't sell a car that way, but you could try wrapping the wheels in sheet metal and putting in tubes for use on your own car(*).
03-23-2008, 02:39 AM
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I wouldn't wrap them in sheet metal, just buff down most of the roughness with a wire wheel so there isnt' anything sharp left. I added it up one night, we have well over 400 wheels on the farm, and only one or two a year go flat because of rusty rims...and i mean some of teh rims are RUSTY!!! (calcium chloride is sometimes used to inflate tires for ballast) The worst of them have holes all the way through.
OTOH, safety isn't an issue on the farm, but it is for a car.
OTOH, safety isn't an issue on the farm, but it is for a car.
03-23-2008, 02:44 AM
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Rust may not puncture the tube. However, as unlikely as it might be, if something falls into the inside of the wheel area, it could more easily punch a hole than it would on a "normal" wheel. The likeliness of that is actually pretty low since few things actually fall into wheels, but it'* still a great enough risk that you should at least consider some sheet metal. What about the future owner of the car, though?
03-23-2008, 07:16 AM
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Personally I think all of this is foolish idea. To start modifying a safety critical system in an application it was never intended for is just not very smart. I would never wrap anything around a rim before mounting a tire, nor would I introduce tubes into this type of environment. This vehicle is intended to be driven at relatively high speeds in areas where there may be dense traffic. This screams failure and is an accident waiting to happen.
03-23-2008, 08:18 AM
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I've now spontaneously changed my argument to agree with ddalder (and probably a ton of other people). However, there really are cars that use tubes inside the tires. They're mostly small and Eastern European, but I think also some of the old Mercedes-Benz models used that system too. Probably none of those cars are designed as the Bonneville was, though. Before typing more, I'll wait for the tire shop'* verdict.
03-23-2008, 08:52 AM
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Y'know, research is often the best medicine for ailments such as this.
From Wiki:
Now, back to the normally scheduled topic.
From Wiki:
Tubeless tires are pneumatic tires that do not require a separate butyl rubber inner tube.
Traditional designs of pneumatic tires required a separate inner tube which could fail for a number of reasons, such as: incorrect tire fitment, or friction between the tire wall and inner tube generating excess heat causing a blowout.
Tubeless tire technology does away with the need for an inner tube thereby increasing safety.
In a tubeless tire, the tire, which has an inner lining of impermeable halobutyl, and the rim of the wheel form an airtight seal, with the valve being directly mounted on the rim.
If a tubeless tire gets punctured, air escapes only through the hole, leading to a gentle deflation of the tire. Conversely, an inner tube could potentially burst like a balloon, leading to a rapid deflation of the tire which could result in sudden loss of control of the vehicle. A liquid tire sealant can be added to tubeless tires to prevent deflation.
Traditional designs of pneumatic tires required a separate inner tube which could fail for a number of reasons, such as: incorrect tire fitment, or friction between the tire wall and inner tube generating excess heat causing a blowout.
Tubeless tire technology does away with the need for an inner tube thereby increasing safety.
In a tubeless tire, the tire, which has an inner lining of impermeable halobutyl, and the rim of the wheel form an airtight seal, with the valve being directly mounted on the rim.
If a tubeless tire gets punctured, air escapes only through the hole, leading to a gentle deflation of the tire. Conversely, an inner tube could potentially burst like a balloon, leading to a rapid deflation of the tire which could result in sudden loss of control of the vehicle. A liquid tire sealant can be added to tubeless tires to prevent deflation.