I bought the New Hampshire SSEi - Buy boost or die!
07-11-2007, 10:25 PM
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The more I think about, the more I probably should get it for financial reasons. Not that I couldn't afford something else. My LIMIT is $13000 TOTAL financed.
Someone buy my 94!!!
Is there ANYONE in or near Rochester, NH that would check this one out for me? If it passes your inspection, and carfax, I will put a deposit down this week.
PM sent to handdrumman and Karl.
Someone buy my 94!!!
Is there ANYONE in or near Rochester, NH that would check this one out for me? If it passes your inspection, and carfax, I will put a deposit down this week.
PM sent to handdrumman and Karl.
07-12-2007, 06:11 AM
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Pete, lemme see if I can get out there this weekend.
Did you see this?
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...SRCH2=googbase
Did you see this?
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...SRCH2=googbase
07-12-2007, 08:45 AM
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Here'* the CARFAX on this 2003 for $8800. I looked it over carefully, and AGAIN, some things come up. Maybe THAT'* why the price is well below BB.
Can I get some thoughts on this? I swear every car I would want more than any other has some **** on the CARFAX. Will still have to see it in person...
It was inspected at a collision repair facility (body shop) 4 days after it was purchased.
Can I get some thoughts on this? I swear every car I would want more than any other has some **** on the CARFAX. Will still have to see it in person...
It was inspected at a collision repair facility (body shop) 4 days after it was purchased.
2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI
1G2HZ541934141403
SEDAN 4 DR
3.8L V6 FI OHV / FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report
Hi-I'm the CARFAX Xpert™. I'm here to help you better understand the data in this CARFAX Report. Did you know...
We checked over 4 billion records from thousands of data sources for this vehicle
This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
The last reported odometer reading was 8,232
A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.
The number of owners is estimated by CARFAX
Year purchased 2003
Type of owner Personal
Estimated length of ownership
4 yrs. 3 mo.
Owned in the following states/provinces Massachusetts
Estimated miles driven per year ---
Last reported odometer reading 8,232
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt Guaranteed
No Problem
Fire/Flood | Hail Damage | Buyback/Lemon
Guaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. Register | View Terms
Not all accidents or other issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss Check
No total loss reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Frame Damage Check
No frame damage reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Airbag Deployment Check
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Odometer Rollback Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.
No Issues Indicated
Accident Check
Inspected at a collision repair facility on 03/21/2003.
Accident Indicator
Manufacturer Recall Check
Check with an authorized Pontiac dealer for any open recalls.
No Recalls Reported
Basic Warranty Check
Original warranty estimated to have expired. View Info
Interested in an extended warranty?
Warranty Expired
Tell us what you know about this vehicle
Looking for other 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE vehicles like this one in your area?
Search CARFAX Hot Listings for an up-to-date list of vehicles in your area, all with the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee!
A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 4 billion vehicle history events and found 14 record(*) for this 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI (1G2HZ541934141403).
Purchased: 2003
Type: Personal
Where: Massachusetts
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 3/17/03 - present
(4 yrs. 3 mo.)
Good News - CARFAX 1-owner vehicle! These vehicles are often worth a higher price because they tend to be consistently driven and maintained.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
12/05/2002 3 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Pre-delivery inspection completed
01/07/2003 6 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Westborough, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
01/07/2003 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Vehicle purchase reported
Registered as
personal vehicle
01/07/2003 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Vehicle sold
Safety inspection performed
02/12/2003 3,400 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
03/17/2003 6,063 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Body electrical system checked
03/17/2003 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA
Title #AY575921 Title or registration issued
First owner reported
Loan or lien reported
03/21/2003 Collision Repair Facility
Massachusetts Vehicle inspected after an
accident or other incident
Damage to front
A vehicle inspection completed
by your dealer or professional
inspector is recommended
CARFAX began reporting information from this source on 05/06/2005.
11/25/2003 8,232 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Manufacturer'* recommended maintenance performed
02/01/2004 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray
02/04/2004 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
03/10/2005 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety inspection
View what was inspected
02/01/2006 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray
04/25/2006 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
Tell us what you know about this vehicle?
www.carfax.com
Collision Repair Facility
A collision repair facility specializes in repairing vehicle damage caused by accidents and other incidents. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or a professional inspector is recommended.
First Owner
When the first owner(*) obtains a title from a Department of Motor Vehicles as proof of ownership.
Inspections
Many states or counties require annual or biennial emissions and/or safety inspections. Odometer readings are collected at the time of the inspection.
Ownership History
CARFAX defines an owner as an individual or business that possesses and uses a vehicle. Not all title transactions represent changes in ownership. To provide estimated number of owners, CARFAX proprietary technology analyzes all the events in a vehicle history. Estimated ownership is available for vehicles manufactured after 1994 and titled solely in the US including Puerto Rico. Dealers sometimes opt to take ownership of a vehicle and are required to in the following states: Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and South Dakota. Please consider this as you review a vehicle'* estimated ownership history.
1G2HZ541934141403
SEDAN 4 DR
3.8L V6 FI OHV / FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Safety & Reliability Report
Hi-I'm the CARFAX Xpert™. I'm here to help you better understand the data in this CARFAX Report. Did you know...
We checked over 4 billion records from thousands of data sources for this vehicle
This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
The last reported odometer reading was 8,232
A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car.
The number of owners is estimated by CARFAX
Year purchased 2003
Type of owner Personal
Estimated length of ownership
4 yrs. 3 mo.
Owned in the following states/provinces Massachusetts
Estimated miles driven per year ---
Last reported odometer reading 8,232
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt Guaranteed
No Problem
Fire/Flood | Hail Damage | Buyback/Lemon
Guaranteed
No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
No Problem
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back. Register | View Terms
Not all accidents or other issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss Check
No total loss reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Frame Damage Check
No frame damage reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Airbag Deployment Check
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Odometer Rollback Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.
No Issues Indicated
Accident Check
Inspected at a collision repair facility on 03/21/2003.
Accident Indicator
Manufacturer Recall Check
Check with an authorized Pontiac dealer for any open recalls.
No Recalls Reported
Basic Warranty Check
Original warranty estimated to have expired. View Info
Interested in an extended warranty?
Warranty Expired
Tell us what you know about this vehicle
Looking for other 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE vehicles like this one in your area?
Search CARFAX Hot Listings for an up-to-date list of vehicles in your area, all with the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee!
A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 4 billion vehicle history events and found 14 record(*) for this 2003 PONTIAC BONNEVILLE SSEI (1G2HZ541934141403).
Purchased: 2003
Type: Personal
Where: Massachusetts
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 3/17/03 - present
(4 yrs. 3 mo.)
Good News - CARFAX 1-owner vehicle! These vehicles are often worth a higher price because they tend to be consistently driven and maintained.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
12/05/2002 3 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Pre-delivery inspection completed
01/07/2003 6 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Westborough, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
01/07/2003 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Vehicle purchase reported
Registered as
personal vehicle
01/07/2003 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Vehicle sold
Safety inspection performed
02/12/2003 3,400 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
03/17/2003 6,063 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Body electrical system checked
03/17/2003 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA
Title #AY575921 Title or registration issued
First owner reported
Loan or lien reported
03/21/2003 Collision Repair Facility
Massachusetts Vehicle inspected after an
accident or other incident
Damage to front
A vehicle inspection completed
by your dealer or professional
inspector is recommended
CARFAX began reporting information from this source on 05/06/2005.
11/25/2003 8,232 Westborough Buick Pontiac GMC
Westborough, MA
508-366-8787
www.westboroughcars.com Vehicle serviced
Manufacturer'* recommended maintenance performed
02/01/2004 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray
02/04/2004 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
03/10/2005 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety inspection
View what was inspected
02/01/2006 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Merrimac, MA Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Gray
04/25/2006 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Marlborough, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
Tell us what you know about this vehicle?
www.carfax.com
Collision Repair Facility
A collision repair facility specializes in repairing vehicle damage caused by accidents and other incidents. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or a professional inspector is recommended.
First Owner
When the first owner(*) obtains a title from a Department of Motor Vehicles as proof of ownership.
Inspections
Many states or counties require annual or biennial emissions and/or safety inspections. Odometer readings are collected at the time of the inspection.
Ownership History
CARFAX defines an owner as an individual or business that possesses and uses a vehicle. Not all title transactions represent changes in ownership. To provide estimated number of owners, CARFAX proprietary technology analyzes all the events in a vehicle history. Estimated ownership is available for vehicles manufactured after 1994 and titled solely in the US including Puerto Rico. Dealers sometimes opt to take ownership of a vehicle and are required to in the following states: Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and South Dakota. Please consider this as you review a vehicle'* estimated ownership history.
07-12-2007, 09:04 AM
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Karl, Jack, and Dave, I PM'd all of you to see how close you were to this car. Jack is the closest, about 10 minutes away.
Karl, you have a 2001 and could be helpful too. Maybe you can meet up there with Jack on Saturday? Or even both go down there at different times so I can get both your takes on the car separately?
Don't go completely out of your way for me. If it'* possible and you don't mind, I'd really appreciate it.
Karl, you have a 2001 and could be helpful too. Maybe you can meet up there with Jack on Saturday? Or even both go down there at different times so I can get both your takes on the car separately?
Don't go completely out of your way for me. If it'* possible and you don't mind, I'd really appreciate it.
07-12-2007, 09:58 AM
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Pete..in your PM and above you swear about all cars you look at having something messed up.
What does the carfax tell you? Maybe someone'* kid broke a headlight and it was looked at by a reputable shop that shows up on carfax. I would be happy about that. It means that whatever was damaged..you know it was fixed by a shop that knows their business and documents repairs. The electrical.. that'* a dealer service etc.. if it was looked at..it was probably fixed.
Think of it this way.. maybe fuse 19 was fixed because the car was stalling. That would be an electrical service in my book.
Personally..I'd be worried more about paint blemishes and hood herpes.
What does the carfax tell you? Maybe someone'* kid broke a headlight and it was looked at by a reputable shop that shows up on carfax. I would be happy about that. It means that whatever was damaged..you know it was fixed by a shop that knows their business and documents repairs. The electrical.. that'* a dealer service etc.. if it was looked at..it was probably fixed.
Think of it this way.. maybe fuse 19 was fixed because the car was stalling. That would be an electrical service in my book.
Personally..I'd be worried more about paint blemishes and hood herpes.
07-12-2007, 10:03 AM
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Very good points Bill, and these 'issues' I see on carfax are not deal-breakers. I do realize theses "red flags" can be minor. I just have found it frustrating that the top 3 cars I've found have had an accident (or possible accident) in the Carfax report. A completely clean record, one-owner car would make me feel a bit better that'* all. I've found two of those, unfortunately both are more expensive than what I really want right now.
Big thanks to EVERYONE'* comments in this thread, and those that have looked at cars for me, or are going to look at cars for me in the future. Many comments have been extremely helpful to me while I figure out what is best for me right now.
Big thanks to EVERYONE'* comments in this thread, and those that have looked at cars for me, or are going to look at cars for me in the future. Many comments have been extremely helpful to me while I figure out what is best for me right now.
07-12-2007, 10:05 AM
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If its well below KBB there is something wrong IMO. ESPECIALLY if it tells you on carfax that its been in an accident. You get what you paid for, think about if you sell it the buyer is going to do the exact same thing you are doing now, unless they are just plain dumb(and their out there). Myself I have to have a completely clean title and all my cars have that. 
I wont even look at it if it doesnt.
I wont even look at it if it doesnt.
07-12-2007, 10:11 AM
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KBB on an '03 SSEi with 103,000 miles in excellent is $13,700. This is $8800.
Yes, the price alone being so low worries me too. The fact that it is so affordable is nice though. I plan on keeping this for good too, and if I sell the 94 I could pay this car off a lot quicker. If this turned out to be a reliable car, I wouldn't have to worry about having to sell it.
If this car looks great and drives great in person, I may go for it for financial reasons. I'm going to look it over with a fine-tooth comb though.
A clean title does look better! I KNOW people have not bought my Sebring ONLY because it was a rental car for 6 months.
EDIT: Keep in mind, though this 2003 is "valued" at $13,700 in excellent, it has 103,000 miles. Every other 2003 I have found has 45,000 to 50,000 miles, and is selling for $12,999-$14,999.
It would be impossibe for someone to price a 103,000 mile car at $14,000 when a 47,000 mile car 50 miles away is $13,000. Maybe the low price could be based on that fact. ?
Yes, the price alone being so low worries me too. The fact that it is so affordable is nice though. I plan on keeping this for good too, and if I sell the 94 I could pay this car off a lot quicker. If this turned out to be a reliable car, I wouldn't have to worry about having to sell it.
If this car looks great and drives great in person, I may go for it for financial reasons. I'm going to look it over with a fine-tooth comb though.
A clean title does look better! I KNOW people have not bought my Sebring ONLY because it was a rental car for 6 months.
EDIT: Keep in mind, though this 2003 is "valued" at $13,700 in excellent, it has 103,000 miles. Every other 2003 I have found has 45,000 to 50,000 miles, and is selling for $12,999-$14,999.
It would be impossibe for someone to price a 103,000 mile car at $14,000 when a 47,000 mile car 50 miles away is $13,000. Maybe the low price could be based on that fact. ?
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You may be right. Rentals could be a good thing too. Most rental places actually are very merticulous about servicing there cars. Then again the hundreds of people that have drove them can be a little nerve racking.
07-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Another thing to consider..while these cars KBB value is X.. around here there are so many and no demand. Price changes considerably when the dealer has a Bonneville and everyone wants a Lexus.
Personally.. I put less faith in Carfax than I do my own observations about a car. Look at my 97.. price was good, Carfax is one owner..completely clean, title is clean. Someone please tell me why the heck there were connectors in the drives door that were unhooded and zip tied where they never should have been. Also..the badge on teh drivers door is too high. No sticker on the drivers door. Clearly the car was in an accident, unreported. Mickey Mouse and Goofy got together and put it back together.
My point..if it hit carfax.. look it over and most likely it was fixed properly.
Personally.. I put less faith in Carfax than I do my own observations about a car. Look at my 97.. price was good, Carfax is one owner..completely clean, title is clean. Someone please tell me why the heck there were connectors in the drives door that were unhooded and zip tied where they never should have been. Also..the badge on teh drivers door is too high. No sticker on the drivers door. Clearly the car was in an accident, unreported. Mickey Mouse and Goofy got together and put it back together.
My point..if it hit carfax.. look it over and most likely it was fixed properly.