General GM Chat When starting new posts, please specify YEAR, MAKE, MODEL, ENGINE type, and whatever modifications you have made. Chat about all things GM (and related cars). Off-topic stuff should be in the Lounge, and all Model specific mechanical problems should be posted in the proper forum.
View Poll Results: Low end power, or Top end power?
Low end (LG3, LN3, S1 "L27, L67&quot
39.13%
Top end (S2 "L36, L67&quot
43.48%
N* owner
8.70%
Other
8.70%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

Which do you prefer? Low end power or top end?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-29-2007, 03:36 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
Posts like a Northstar
 
Blownville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Blownville is on a distinguished road
Default

I took low end. Most of the time I need it from a light so the guy in the far right isn't gonna beat me and cut me off !
Old 10-29-2007, 03:37 PM
  #22  
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
dbeast420's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: My reclining computer chair
Posts: 11,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
dbeast420 is on a distinguished road
Default

Having never driven an S1,I have to vote top end
Old 10-29-2007, 04:44 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
radomirthegreat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 4,606
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
radomirthegreat is on a distinguished road
Default

I'm kind of confused by this because I think there'* lots of low end power on the S2. In fact, if you have never driven an S1, you couldn't really notice.

I have a 94 SSEi with a 2.6" pulley, CAI, irridium plugs, stock coils, OE replacement wires, the correct-diameter exhaust piping, an engine rebuilt 110K miles ago, and a transmission rebuilt about 35K miles ago.

1337ssei has a 97 SSEi with a 3.4" pulley with 2 degrees of KR at WOT, CAI, Autolite 103 plugs, stock coils, Belden wires, and a 3" Magnaflow pipe from the high-flow Magnaflow cat and back. He hasn't changed the downpipe, but he ran on the track with the rear 02 deleted.

I saw willwren had so much done to his car, and even had 0 degrees of KR with a 2" pulley! He fine-tuned everything, and his car was in such good shape. However, he got a 1/4 time that was only .2 seconds faster than 1337ssei'*.

Also, I've ridden in 1337ssei'* car several times and have driven it, and it just feels so good. I have had no way of checking, but I think it has more power all around as compared to my car. Taking off feels solid; with his car, you just tap the gas if you'd like, and the car'* already moving. My car feels really bogged down for a split second, and then it takes off. It feels incredible until the 3K rpm point, and then the G-force lets go until the next shift point.

With the 99 SLE, the power band seems much lower all around than either my 94'* or 1337'* 97. Regardless, it feels like it really takes off in the low end, but gunning it on the highway doesn't do much.

So, I like low-end power. It'* not because I have a S1, but because my S1, my S2, and my friend'* S2 all have really great low-end power that doesn't cut off until the mid range. I really don't know what you guys are talking about when you mention top-end because aside from 1337ssei'* awesome car, no other 3800 has ever felt like a good high-RPM car.
Old 10-29-2007, 05:41 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
1993 SLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 19,756
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1993 SLE is on a distinguished road
Default

i got a Series 2....i got both
Old 10-29-2007, 05:45 PM
  #25  
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
96SSEi_tampa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Melbourne, FL
Posts: 289
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
96SSEi_tampa is on a distinguished road
Default

I'll go with top-end, but really having a good mid-range is really what'* important IMO. When you need the power how often are you below 3k rpm (what I consider low-end), and at the same time how often are you above 5k rpm (top-end)?

Although, I'm in the same boat as Boosty... I've set my car up to have the best of everything. Maybe a little bit too much low-end grunt (Don and Marik know what I mean).
Old 10-29-2007, 05:51 PM
  #26  
Senior Member
Posts like a Northstar
 
Greyhare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Purgatory
Posts: 533
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Greyhare is on a distinguished road
Default

"Top end" is relative.

On a 3800 with a red line of ~6000rpm top end is anything over 4500-5000.
On the race Rabbit "top end" is anything over 7000rpm, the only raeson to set it'* red line at 8500rpm, is the power band starts to fall off at 8000rpm.
Old 10-29-2007, 07:48 PM
  #28  
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
bonnie94ssei's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,308
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
bonnie94ssei is on a distinguished road
Default

My 94 sure had low end balls, but my 03 doesn't seem to lack much. In you're talking numbers, the 03'* peak is 5 ft/bs more torque (than the 94) at only 400 rpms higher. On good days my 94 felt amazing off the line, but when I actually timed a 0-60 I was pretty disappointed. My 03 is about a second quicker from 0-60.

If I had to choose what I wanted MORE OF, I'd choose more top-end for sure. I like the feeling of being able to hang around longer on the highway. I like top-end power without sacrificing low-end, and for being stock, my '03 is a pretty respectable compromise.

The more I drive the 03 though, the more I see that I could really use more top-end!

I always liked driving the 94 once in a while though. It would be nice to have both a S1 and S2 L67.
Old 10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
  #29  
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

I have a Northstar, so I don't have much choice but to vote top end, as its peak torque is dev'l at 4500 RPM. I have to rely on steep tranny gearing to get me to 4000 RPM ASAP. Top end delivers excitement when you've already got going, but low end makes heads turn.
Old 10-29-2007, 08:26 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Hans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Twin Falls, Idaho
Posts: 7,545
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Hans is on a distinguished road
Default

Low end torque scares people

but so does high end.


Quick Reply: Which do you prefer? Low end power or top end?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:48 PM.