General GM Chat When starting new posts, please specify YEAR, MAKE, MODEL, ENGINE type, and whatever modifications you have made. Chat about all things GM (and related cars). Off-topic stuff should be in the Lounge, and all Model specific mechanical problems should be posted in the proper forum.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

straight pipe no cat

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-11-2003, 01:00 PM
  #1  
Member
Posts like a V-Tak
Thread Starter
 
bonnie90se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
bonnie90se is on a distinguished road
Default straight pipe no cat

hello everyone, would running with a straight pipe and no cat affect performance ?
does it throw off the ecm or anything. The reason I ask is that the pipe on the cat convertor is cracked and my local muffler shop said it would be okay .I did it because I'm a little short on cash right now. Oh by the way I'm referring to my winter beater, a delta royale 1989.
thanks in advance for any input.
Old 10-11-2003, 02:10 PM
  #2  
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
willwren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

I'd be tempted to keep a Cat for the backpressure, but go with a hi-flow design. You don't have the extra O2 sensor after the Cat on either car, so the lack of a Cat wouldn't affect the PCM at all, but it'* still best to keep it unless you're building for pure performance.

You can get a performance Cat for the $100 range, plus installation if you don't do it yourself. You may feel the difference in performance, especially if the old cat is clogged or even leaking. These things are tuned for a specific amount of backpressure. Too much or too little will both hurt performance, but in different ways.

If you lose too much backpressure, you'll lose low-end torque, and that'* what these engines are known/built for.
Old 10-11-2003, 03:01 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't recommend a cat-less car either, I second the bossman, high flow is the way to go, and it creates a nicer sound as well
Old 10-11-2003, 03:19 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
CraZyDriVer868's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Monticello, Minnesota
Posts: 1,520
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CraZyDriVer868 is on a distinguished road
Default

gordy put your .02 in here...keep the cat the low end torque is awesome!
Old 10-11-2003, 08:07 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
Justind23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Eugene/Springfield Oregon
Posts: 322
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Justind23 is on a distinguished road
Default

What if you have a SC? I know with my Turbo car the less backpressure the better. Does the same apply to a SC?
Old 10-11-2003, 08:10 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

I believe it applies even more to have backpressure when you have an SC
Old 10-11-2003, 08:11 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
Justind23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Eugene/Springfield Oregon
Posts: 322
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Justind23 is on a distinguished road
Default

So what kind of upgrades can you do on the exhaust side that will actually increase the performance?
Old 10-11-2003, 08:15 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

High flow cat, 2"-1/4" or 2.5" pipe and a nice muffler, either Flowmaster or MagnaFlow, or you can go as far as porting the manifolds and some serious engine mods. It all depends on your budget
Old 10-11-2003, 08:21 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
Posts like a Turbo
 
Justind23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Eugene/Springfield Oregon
Posts: 322
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Justind23 is on a distinguished road
Default

So then things to decrees resitance but still maintain back pressure. No after market manifold? What kind of hp increase is possible on the exhasut side if I didn't want to get into interanls? Same on the intake side? I've already seen debate about the airbox. I've encountered similar issues with my Conquest.
Old 10-11-2003, 08:50 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

The key to remember is resistance without being restrictive. A high flow cat will add necessary resistance yet open up the flow a bit. It will add a nice 5-10 HP boost and add a more agressive sound.

Mandreal bends in your pipe is a nice expensive alternative that allows for nice out flow. A muffler option again adds performance due to internal design.
Any stock exhaust is WAY to restrictive, you'll notice a nice increase. The muffler should add another 10HP to the system. What you choose to do with the resonator, its up to you.

As for the intake, some gut, some go intake pipe and filter or rig up a true CAI intake system. Remember, do them at the same time, or do the exhaust first, doing an intake first and ignoring the exhaust is not going to help


Quick Reply: straight pipe no cat



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:23 PM.