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Old 09-19-2002, 12:44 PM   #21
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Well. The Bonneville is going to have more HP and be faster than the GP? it'* about time. The bonneville is way more car than the GP anyway. What'* up with this widening the GP though? it'* getting more and more like the Bonneville...I can almost wonder what is the point in having 2 of them? especially since they are only both 4 doors not. Mind you, i can't STAND GP'*, they are EVERYWHERE and they are getting as bad as Honda Civics and Mustangs (everybody and their mother has one)


But the Bonneville is going to stick around. and it'* going to have a V8...All I have to say is...thank god. *faint*
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What'* up with this widening the GP though? it'* getting more and more like the Bonneville...I can almost wonder what is the point in having 2 of them?
The GP is not getting wider, just a little longer. This come from the car going to a different platform with the same body on top. I really won't be that noticable. The Bonneville is growing as well, up 5 inches longer in the wheelbase department! GM is going back to the "bigger is better" idea; with the engines getting cleaner and having better mileage numbers, it is becoming easier to do. Let the rice stay small!

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Oh I see...I read it wrong!! I don't know what it is...it'* kinda weird and stupid but i've hated GP'* after they got our 3800...ESPECIALLY when I took my bonneville to a GP car show that they INVITED me to and then got laughed at for my "grandma" car

Well anyways... that'* good...Bonneville should be wider and longer...wider and longer is always best


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Congratulations Tamara!

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You are the man!!! I've been in a deep blue funk ever since I read the threads on this site that were saying the Bonneville'* 46-year ride was over (excuse the pun). I was getting pretty annoyed with my favorite division (Pontiac) for some of the corporate decisions they were making. Although I don't own one, I was especially saddened at the news of the Firebird'* farewell. I was at the local Pontiac dealer (Cole-Gilmore Pontiac, Nissan, Cadilac) on Tuesday and asked them for an explaination. They said not to fear, that the Firebird was comming back in a few years. After reading your post, I think that they didn't know what they were talking about, but your knews (if it is as credible as it appears) is better than any supposed promise to bring back the Firebird, made by some local nobody. At least you can say that Mr. Lutz 'said so'.

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Congratulations Tamara!

I feel like a party!

*dance, dance*

To be serious though, I sure do hope that they release the GX/p to the public...what is the point in not...it'* just a tease...and i want one. I owuld sooner buy the whole thing new than doing a "make it yourself" kinda project...even though i already have the dark tinted windows and tail lights
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Well I have heard this no Bonneville info from so many different sources its nice to here something positive. I canít wait for a v8 Bonneville. Basically an Aurora with attitude. I mean the 2000-2003 has been g body anyway. I am concerned about the computer issues with the newer v8'*. Cadillac and 0ldsmobile(Aurora) have done a great job holding them down. There is a tone of options for the 4.6l but none can be applied to a stock system. That bites.

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As far as my information, I had head this from several pontiac sources. Although I will say this was months back. It sounds like they were confused and if the Bonneville lives on...GREAT! However, just one problem....I HATE THE AURORA....YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! I sure hope Pontiac does a complete OVERHAUL on that car. I mean honestly...do any of you think the Aurora looks good at all??? YUCK!

I do hope all that info. is right about the Bonny although I'm not sure if the RWD would be wise with the supercharged engine...SUCK SUCK SUCK the gas it will if that'* the case. Just some thoughts...
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I don't follow why a RWD would suck any more gas than a FWD. Just curious as to the physics involved that would make such a large difference. (I'm serious about this question--I'm not doubting you, just curious.) As far as the Aurora look, I'm sure that Pontiac would redesign the skin (so long as they do a better job than on the Holden *cough* Pontiac GTO, we'll be okay).
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I don't follow why a RWD would suck any more gas than a FWD. Just curious as to the physics involved that would make such a large difference. (I'm serious about this question--I'm not doubting you, just curious.) As far as the Aurora look, I'm sure that Pontiac would redesign the skin (so long as they do a better job than on the Holden *cough* Pontiac GTO, we'll be okay).
If the car is set up as was relayed to me, the weight distribution will be the key factor in helping the MPG/KPG stay low. The SC on the GX/P is bigger and more efficient than the one on the L67. Team that with the new fuel injectors designed by the Cadillac/Aurora team for the 3.5L Shortstar and the 4.0/4.6L Northstars which produce a much finer misting at release for better, fuller combustion and we get the same or better economy that we have now. Remember, RWD is not the same as it was back in the day. It'* now an electronically controlled, traction enhanced monster that won't allow you to waste tires, but it will give you a better launch from standstill.

As for the design, the gentleman spoke to at GM stated that it would be only the Aurora mecahnicals coming over. The car will look very similar to the GX/P, with a few updates for a next-gen look. It will share the platform with DTS, Impala, Park Avenue, a couple of Holdens, possible a Saab, and a yet to be named large Saturn. It will also be stretched to accommodate the new Cadillac/Chevy mini-ute and the SSR.

I hope this give everyone some relief. I know it did so for me.

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Interesting Note... I was reading through my most recent issue of Car and Driver last night, and they did a preview and run-down of all the news cars, as well as model changes, deletions, etc for 2003. I came across the Pontiac section which showed a picture of the G/XP, and stated how the 2-door grand prix has been deleted for '03, as well as a few other minor changes with the sunfire, etc.. Then they said that the Bonneville will remain the same as this years model, however "A higher revving performance model of the Bonneville is expected for release last next year." or something like that (I dont have the magazine right here in front of me).

Thats awesome news! I'm assuming Car and Driver must've got the information from somewhere credible as they are a pretty HUGE automotive media publication. If thats the case and they do release it, I might actually consider keeping my bonny, waiting, and getting one, instead of selling my bonny come next summer and gettin the 540i. All depends I guess....

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