Busted.

Indeed.

The new Avalon scoots to 60mph in the sixes and has (optional?) AWD, it'* no slouch anymore. It'll take an SSEi now, whereas the previous model would have been neck and neck with an NA 3800. Both the new and old V6s are a very torquey motor that loves to rev.

I still think the bar is the 300C right now, even as cheap (read: low rent) as it may be when you really look - the TL/G35 are a bit pricey...

Ditto! This is some funny **** and i'm only half way thru! LOL

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Not to beat a dead horse..... but GMI is on it'* 8th page about this topic...

http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showt...4&page=1&pp=20[/url]

Well guys from what I have heard in the Washington Post about 6 months ago they are supposed to keep the Bonneville in production.

I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this issue...I personally believe that GM is going to kill off the Bonne just based on the other moves they've been making. Both the new Impala and Buick LaCrosse are built on "W" body platform. Factor this in with Bob Lutzs' mission to make Pontiac the "American BMW" when he laid down the law that no more Pontiacs would wear body cladding of any kind. I'm sorry, but call me old school or over-the-hill, but I always liked the "ground effects look" that Pontiacs had because of the body cladding. IMO he has made the whole line of cars look naked. When the Bonne was restyled in 2000, the SSEi was hot and muscular looking. Now that it has the powerplant it has so long deserved, it lacks the visual punch of its predecessors. All the info we have recieved over at GPnet points to BobbyBoy making the the G8 (replacing both the GP and the Bonne) as the marques flagship sedan. Mr Lutz might be remolding Pontiac but he is killing off icons in the process, and his efforts to resurrect the GTO by rebadging an Aussie Holden is all but lukewarm in my book. Now this year its almost as if he is trying to soothe the killing of the Firebird by making the GTO have a similar look. I have sad news for Mr Lutz, I dont see any BMW owners jumping ship to buy a Pontiac. Basically he loses both ways, and so do we.

Hello. GM is not GOING to kill the Bonneville.

They DID kill the Boneville.

when did they say this Will? Did i miss something? do you know something we dont?

Well written, BatLimo.

Absolutely!! I thought that was the whole point of Pontiac: Aggressive looking, sport-luxury coupes and sedans with attitudes. I'm sorry, but the G6 doesn't exactly scream "Driving Excitement" to me. It seems more to calmly, and in a monotone voice, be saying "look at me blend in with my bland, **** poor styling import competitors". All it needs are those wussy little Toyota horns, now.

I know Pontiac is going after the big names in the import game (even though some of its styling looks like they're aiming at much lower imports), with the whole resorting to the Pontiac 6000 strategy of numbers for nameplates, but times are different now. If Pontiac thinks it'* going to compete with BMW, then Bob CLutz is slower then I originally gave him credit for. There'* many reason that this will fail, but 2 major ones come to mind.

A. GM isn't going to spend the necessary money for the much higher quality materials that the likes of the luxury imports use. This would jack the prices up quite a bit, and I can't see too many people being interested in paying more for a new Bonneville (or Bonneville replacement ) then what it'* already at, right now.

B. BMWs and Mercs are bought for a wee bit more reasons then just "better quality". I live in a town where if you're not driving a Beamer or Merc, you're considered to be driving a tin can. Oh yes, they love their luxury cars. Yet, the majority of the owners don't have a CLUE how to pop the hood, let alone check the oil, much less explain to me WHY their car is so much better and worth $60K. So this leads to another important point as to why Pontiac would never be in the same category as BMW and Merc: *cups his hands around his mouth, and yells in Mr. KLutz'* ear*: "MOST BMW OWNERS BUY THEIR CARS AS A STATUS SYMBOL!" They don't CARE that it'* built with terrific craftsman ship. All they care about is that their neighbors know it cost as much as their year'* collective salary. Can you imagine Pontiac every reaching that status? Uuummmm.......no! And that'* a GOOD thing, because I'd rather not see Pontiac, a company once heralded for its aggressive performance nature, become some looser manufacturer of cars for pansies.

So...to sum up....GM, please quit screwing up old nameplates with heritage for new ones that won't be around long enough to develop one!