That'* exactly how I felt when I installed my amp and sub. I have to rebuild my box after I put my rear shock tower brace in. I see it as a perfect chance to try my hand at fiberglass.

Looks good Venom

John, your just.................

Toddster give me some time. I am trying to weaken John so that he allows me to build something crazy in his trunk. BTW I have every intention of blowing ear drums and creating as much subsonic mayhem as possible. I want to create a hybrid system. I am doing custom door panels with two sets of 6.5 components up front and custom pods on my C pillars leaving my 6x9 holes open for air flow from the trunk and then in my trunk I am gonna go as close to a db drag box as I can without losing all sound quality. Its all in the box. A few years back the db drag world record was held by a guy in a ford excursion with 24 12'*... That record was broken last year by a guy with a single 18 inch subwoofer and a ton of power... Now that is what I call awesome!

And here is a key to subs. If your goal is vibration at levels of sound impossible for the ear to discern (Hearing is a tricky thing and you cant hear Mghz that low, but the vibration synced with what you do hear makes you assume you actually hear it) I digress; than ya, Boxs will attenuate this end of music.

I listen to music that keys on guitars and synth keyboards that wail at the other end of the audio spectrum and clarity at louder volumes to enjoy it is crucial. Sub Boxes tend to defeat this and in every system I ever heard, detract from this genre of music. Artists like SRV, Clapton, Hendrix, Malsteen, Slash, Zack Wilde, Page, Kirk Hammet, Beck, etc. dont compose, record, or engineer music designed to replicate signals condusive for sub boxes. So what you are trying to compare is apples and oranges. For my tastes a free air, lower powered sub between the rear speakers is ideal. It brings out what the OEM system cant replicate without sound quality loss. I found myself turning down the volume of the stock system and easing the equalizer setting after installing the sub and further helping quality.

I see so many systems built for "shock and awe" that for other than pound, basically suck for clarity, quality, and signal/noise ratio. If that leaves you grinning, itz all good. For myself if I want to intimidate, I rather turn my wheel slightly to to left at a light and leave rubber chunks against a ricers driver'* door. Then nitrous and wave bye bye. Listening to Deep Purple'* "Highway Star"

I know exactly what you mean about subs in the grand scheme of sound quality. Actually if I were to build a box for a system geared more towards a realistic reproduction of what the artists created, It would most likely not even be heard 80% of the time. That type of system is definitely not for a bass head but I gotta admit, it does sound good that way.

but not all systems made for a "wow factor" sound bad in the clarity and tonal quality area. Just the ones that are done poorly. One of the best systems I have ever heard was in a nissan titan with 4 12'* in a blow through box from the bed into the cab. It was loud for sure! too loud for me even, but it was a musical box as well. Too bad he needed to add 3 sets of components to keep the mids and highs from drowning... LOl!