Despite all the good advice you guys gave.........
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Despite all the good advice you guys gave.........
So I'm not a proud man. I can admit when I'm wrong. Despite everyone telling me that I needed to get the crank turned and possibly replace the rod, I thought "What do they know?" Just cause what they said sounded right, and I knew it did, doesn't mean I should do it!
So the knock is still there, although not nearly as bad. So tomorrow i will be tearing it down to pull the crank and rod and take it to my local machinist.
Question: (I promise I'll listen this time) Can the pistons be removed and reinstalled from the bottom of the block? I look at that area in my mind eye and it seems to me that it would be difficult to get a ring compressor up in there to reinstal the pistons. I'm trying to avoid taking the top half off again which was 80% of the job.
Anyone ever done this or know if it can be done?
Also, should I replace the rings? I would assume that thier fine.
Sorry if I sound like an ingrate. What good is it to seek advice if you don't even follow it
So the knock is still there, although not nearly as bad. So tomorrow i will be tearing it down to pull the crank and rod and take it to my local machinist.
Question: (I promise I'll listen this time) Can the pistons be removed and reinstalled from the bottom of the block? I look at that area in my mind eye and it seems to me that it would be difficult to get a ring compressor up in there to reinstal the pistons. I'm trying to avoid taking the top half off again which was 80% of the job.
Anyone ever done this or know if it can be done?
Also, should I replace the rings? I would assume that thier fine.
Sorry if I sound like an ingrate. What good is it to seek advice if you don't even follow it
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One thing about advice is that you are free to accept or reject it. I don't believe anyone will hold it against you as the one who paid the price was you.
The pistons have to be worked on from above. There was a discussion on it during Boosty'* thread while he was rebuilding his.
Edit - Here'* a link to it.
http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...=asc&highlight
The pistons have to be worked on from above. There was a discussion on it during Boosty'* thread while he was rebuilding his.
Edit - Here'* a link to it.
http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...=asc&highlight
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you will be installing new crank and bearing you should do a honing to take the glare out of the cylinder and change the rings at the same times
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Also, if I have to tear apart the top again, are the Felpro head gaskets the "one and done" kind or can I reuse them. I really don't want to have to fork out another $150 for gaskets. I know the rest are reusable. MAN I don't want to have to do this again. I can disassemble this engine in my sleep by now. Maybe this time I'll just yank the whole dang thing and put it on a stand. Probably easier.
Anyone have any questions regarding tearing down or building up this engine, just let me know. I know it by heart.
Anyone have any questions regarding tearing down or building up this engine, just let me know. I know it by heart.
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Sorry to say.. you aren't putting the piston in through the bottom.
There'* too much odd surface down there
It'* top or nothing. And personally..it stings..but I'd never resuse a head gasket, or head bolts.
There'* too much odd surface down there
It'* top or nothing. And personally..it stings..but I'd never resuse a head gasket, or head bolts.
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You have to pull the heads to pull the pistons and you must replace the head gaskets. You could just replace one head gasket to pull the bad rod, but you won't save much and you won't be able to break the glaze or clean the lands unless you pull the pistons.
Here are some cost estimates for you from http://www.rockauto.com Head gaskets are $16/ea, the head bolt set is $22, and figure $12 to ship it, so for that part, you can git'r done for less than $70. If you didn't use a lot of rtv silicone to install them and you are careful disassembling, you should be able to re-use the LIM gaskets. If the block is stripped my local shop will charge about $35 to install new cam bearings and about $15-$20 to install a new balance shaft bushing. The bushing is about $6, and the cam bearings are $14. Now you are up to $145. Have them check the rod that spun and true it or replace it if need be. That should not be more than $50. A crank kit is $155, and figure another $35 for shipping, so that'* about $385. $50 to tank clean the block and another $65 of stuff you forgot comes to $500.
You break the glaze on the cylinder walls to produce a 60 degree cross-hatch (light scratching). These scratches hold a little bit of oil and provide lubrication for the rings to minimize wear on both the walls and the rings. Check the end gap on the rings - you will probably not need to replace them. Clean the lands so the rings can move freely.
Here are some cost estimates for you from http://www.rockauto.com Head gaskets are $16/ea, the head bolt set is $22, and figure $12 to ship it, so for that part, you can git'r done for less than $70. If you didn't use a lot of rtv silicone to install them and you are careful disassembling, you should be able to re-use the LIM gaskets. If the block is stripped my local shop will charge about $35 to install new cam bearings and about $15-$20 to install a new balance shaft bushing. The bushing is about $6, and the cam bearings are $14. Now you are up to $145. Have them check the rod that spun and true it or replace it if need be. That should not be more than $50. A crank kit is $155, and figure another $35 for shipping, so that'* about $385. $50 to tank clean the block and another $65 of stuff you forgot comes to $500.
You break the glaze on the cylinder walls to produce a 60 degree cross-hatch (light scratching). These scratches hold a little bit of oil and provide lubrication for the rings to minimize wear on both the walls and the rings. Check the end gap on the rings - you will probably not need to replace them. Clean the lands so the rings can move freely.
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Bill, Boosty, & Archon (aka, Moe, Larry, & Curley (not necessarily in that order)) speak the truth. There ain't no gettin' pistons back in without removing the heads. And, frankly, I'd yoink the engine completely out to do the task you intend to accomplish. But that'* just me. I like easy access to my projects.
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Birch...you should see how Stan aka Nutjob decided he had to open the hood on his car...lol
I do agree with Nutbag though, having recently done a bit of work to my car.. it'* much easier to work out of the car than in.
I do agree with Nutbag though, having recently done a bit of work to my car.. it'* much easier to work out of the car than in.
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Originally Posted by birchymm
Maybe this time I'll just yank the whole dang thing and put it on a stand. Probably easier.