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1992-1999 Series I L27 (1992-1994 SE,SLE, SSE) & Series II L36 (1995-1999 SE, SSE, SLE) and common problems for the Series I and II L67 (all supercharged models 92-99) Including Olds 88's, Olds LSS's and Buick Lesabres Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.

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Old 09-29-2002, 10:20 PM   #11
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Amen. That'* a helluva list of killed engines. My top 3 favorite GM engines are the 3800, 350 vortech, and the Quad4. Not in any particular order.....also a big fan of the Olds 455.....gotta have a big-block fave, right?
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Originally Posted by willwren
Don't hold your breath for them to keep a winner like the 3.8. Look what they did to the 350. I bought the last year of the 350 in 98. They traded fifteen lbs of tourque for 15 hp when they went to the 5.4liter. Not good. We can cross our fingers, but GM will eventually do something terrible.
GTO= 5.7 litre LS1 (350 cubic MF'ing inches BABY!) Back from the dead, again!

Don't look for GM to drop the pushrods any time soon. The 3.5L Shortstar engine can't produce enough power for domestic owners to care about. It was the main engine of choice for Olds (RIP) in the later days. The CTS has the 3.5 now and it doesn't sell. GM has plans for a CTSi, coming soon to a drag track near you! The i stands for "incredibly stupid of us to put a crappy, TOYOTA derived engine in a decent, rear drive car". It also happens to stand for the 5.7 litre, 400HP, 320Ft/Lb, fire-breathing LS1 demon that will be massaged into the front end. Can it be that the truth of the matter is the Bonneville will become the 4-door variant of the GTO in 2007-8? I'll put my ear to the wall and see it I can come up with something for ya'll....
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Old 09-30-2002, 01:37 PM   #13
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This is my impression of GM engineers.

You will take our pushrods from us when you pry them from our cold dead fingers.

They are slowly being dragged into the 21st century if you look at the new I-4 through I-6 vortech engines that are all dual overhead cams with variable valve timing on the exhaust side.

The imports have had variable valve timing on both the intake and exhuast since the mid 90'* and GM is just now catching up. GM has the philosophy that we aren't going to change what is working just fine. Which is a good philosophy untill it leaves you behind all the other auto makers.

The 3800 is a great engine but eventually it is going to hit the limits of pushrod design on power, economy and emissions and they are going to have to change it.
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