Courtesy Lights Don't Work When Opening Door
#11
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Originally Posted by Cyclone76
This car doesn't have Light Sentinel but it seems like it would only turn these lights on when it was dark. Are these previously described features controlled by two separate switches in the door?
Also, as someone stated, after 10 minutes it would shut off courtesy lights and the radio if the key were in the off position. If you opened the door it would shut off the radio immediately.
My theory is that a bad door switch or chafed wire could be keeping the interior light circuit grounded even when all the doors are closed, and thus the rundown protection is blocking power to the interior lights since it thinks a door is still open.
The reason I suggested disconnecting the battery for a moment was to force a reset of the rundown protection circuit and see if the interior lights come back on after that (at least for 10 minutes). If so, and all four doors are closed at the time, then you'll have a wiring problem to check out.
On the dash about 3" behind the VIN number plate is what looks like a recessed button. What is that? Thanks!
Um, are you sure you don't have a Twilight Sentinel? Is this a Canadian model, or one with Daytime Running Lamps? (In any event, I don't think that light sensor has anything to do with your interior lights problem.)
#12
That'* a good theory.
Make sure when you run my test...
...that you can get the test light to turn off by closing all of the doors.
Make sure when you run my test...
Connect a test light across the pink/black and white. Light on with any door open.
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Originally Posted by fuddyduddy121
That'* a good theory.
Make sure when you run my test...
...that you can get the test light to turn off by closing all of the doors.
Make sure when you run my test...
Connect a test light across the pink/black and white. Light on with any door open.
#15
OK, the RAC (Remote Accessory Control) module is behind the right side of the I/P, just to the right of the PCM (engine computer). Look for a wiring harness with 10 wires. There should be three wiring harnesses. You want the white one.
I've added a few things to make this clearer.
Here is how the wiring harness appears (looking at the harness). Use the letters to find the correct wire.
A K
B J
C H
D G
E F
I added the letters to the above post regarding the testing. I did this because there are two pink/black wires, and two black wires. You need to get the right one. I know this has become complicated, but it is the only way of assuring that the RAC module (expensive) has gone bad.
By the way, the RAC module also controls the trunk release, and the retained accessory power relay controls (the thing that shuts off the radio after 10 minutes). How are the operation of those things?
I've added a few things to make this clearer.
Here is how the wiring harness appears (looking at the harness). Use the letters to find the correct wire.
A K
B J
C H
D G
E F
I added the letters to the above post regarding the testing. I did this because there are two pink/black wires, and two black wires. You need to get the right one. I know this has become complicated, but it is the only way of assuring that the RAC module (expensive) has gone bad.
By the way, the RAC module also controls the trunk release, and the retained accessory power relay controls (the thing that shuts off the radio after 10 minutes). How are the operation of those things?
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Are all these modules located on the fire wall in the engine compartment?
Also, the trunk release (pushing the button on the driver'* door) works fine.
This car doesn't have daytime running lamps or the Twilight Sentinel. Evidently, they moved the sensor to the center of the dash, as that'* where it is on our '99. The '92, has something on the dash in front of the driver. I think what I see and feel is just a plug for the hole. The plug wiggles.
This will take a little time..........
Are all these modules located on the fire wall in the engine compartment?
Also, the trunk release (pushing the button on the driver'* door) works fine.
This car doesn't have daytime running lamps or the Twilight Sentinel. Evidently, they moved the sensor to the center of the dash, as that'* where it is on our '99. The '92, has something on the dash in front of the driver. I think what I see and feel is just a plug for the hole. The plug wiggles.
This will take a little time..........
#17
I am pretty sure it is under the dash by the passenger side.
Does your 99 have electronic climate control? I bet the one in the center is the solar sensor for the electronic climate control...
If the electric trunk lock works then at least part of the RAC module works.
Does your 99 have electronic climate control? I bet the one in the center is the solar sensor for the electronic climate control...
If the electric trunk lock works then at least part of the RAC module works.
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There've been similar problems on my '92 SSE supercharged since I bought it a few years ago.
Mine doesn't light the ring around the keyhole or turn on the interior lights when either front door handle is pulled.
And the twilight sentinel feature turns off the headlights automatically with the delay setting when I leave the car at night, but it doesn't turn the headlights on automatically - I have to pull the headlight **** and push it back in again to trigger them to turn on when the twilight sentinel switch is on.
All other light functions seem to work ok though, and so does the retained accessory power feature.
I performed the lamp control module diagnostics in the shop manual shortly after I bought this car, and all tests passed...
Mine doesn't light the ring around the keyhole or turn on the interior lights when either front door handle is pulled.
And the twilight sentinel feature turns off the headlights automatically with the delay setting when I leave the car at night, but it doesn't turn the headlights on automatically - I have to pull the headlight **** and push it back in again to trigger them to turn on when the twilight sentinel switch is on.
All other light functions seem to work ok though, and so does the retained accessory power feature.
I performed the lamp control module diagnostics in the shop manual shortly after I bought this car, and all tests passed...
#19
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The solar sensor (or Sunlight Intensity Sensor) sits under a little tinted dome in the center of the dash. The light sensor for the lighting system(*) is the little recessed button-like lens on the left near the VIN.
My '93 SSEi Twilight Sentinel has basically decided to stop working altogether now. Have to check and see whether the light sensor'* gone bad or if the relay simply doesn't want to... um... relay any more...
My '93 SSEi Twilight Sentinel has basically decided to stop working altogether now. Have to check and see whether the light sensor'* gone bad or if the relay simply doesn't want to... um... relay any more...
#20
Originally Posted by billha
There've been similar problems on my '92 SSE supercharged since I bought it a few years ago.
Mine doesn't light the ring around the keyhole or turn on the interior lights when either front door handle is pulled.
And the twilight sentinel feature turns off the headlights automatically with the delay setting when I leave the car at night, but it doesn't turn the headlights on automatically - I have to pull the headlight **** and push it back in again to trigger them to turn on when the twilight sentinel switch is on.
All other light functions seem to work ok though, and so does the retained accessory power feature.
I performed the lamp control module diagnostics in the shop manual shortly after I bought this car, and all tests passed...
Mine doesn't light the ring around the keyhole or turn on the interior lights when either front door handle is pulled.
And the twilight sentinel feature turns off the headlights automatically with the delay setting when I leave the car at night, but it doesn't turn the headlights on automatically - I have to pull the headlight **** and push it back in again to trigger them to turn on when the twilight sentinel switch is on.
All other light functions seem to work ok though, and so does the retained accessory power feature.
I performed the lamp control module diagnostics in the shop manual shortly after I bought this car, and all tests passed...
You're lucky - switch the ones in your 92 and 93. The other guy has to buy a new Bonneville.