Well, I checked the ground and it sure enough was tightly connected. Therefore, it wasn't that anyway. When you say in the "black box under your seat" do you mean under the driver seat or under the passenger seat? There is a black box under each - and I have replaced both, but that is not to say that THEY weren't bad, too, as I used wrecking yard parts. I was afraid the relays might have been in the relay center under the dash on the passenger side. Those are truly hard to get to. Now, I suppose I could jump another ground wire to test if it is the ground, couldn't I? You might have guessed by now that electrics is not my strong suit! Thanks! Sure would like to get this working just to "climb the mountain" if not for anything else.